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Television Interview with Vytautas Landsbergis |
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Best day in fighting for independence
of Lithuania ?
"The best day will be when the Soviet
army leaves Lithuania. The worst day and night was in January 1991, when
the Soviet army murdered defenceless citizens, when we felt from the east
a merciless wind, and from the west we felt all attention focused on the
Persian Gulf. I believe the best day is still to come. there have been
good days, but the very best day has still to come."
14 Lithuanians killed. What threat
does Army cause ? Withdrawal. Can CIS army be split up ?
"If circumstances in the former
Soviet Union were to change, a danger. presence of Soviet army on our soil
is a threat. They are causing ecological and economical damage to our country,
scaring off western investors. If Russia wants to harm Lithuania, they
just need to keep the army on our soil. the withdrawal process has not
yet begun. the first withdrawal is a laughable figure. Take into consideration
the number of Soviet troops on our soil. What can help here is international
opinion and the attention of democratic nations. A serious withdrawal will
only be hurried up with the goodwill of the country which must withdraw
the troops - CIS under jurisdiction of Russia, who we do not thing will
delay the withdrawal.
Negative aspects of gaining freedom. We have thrown off a chain, but we have new problems - we want these as an independent state and will solve them ourselves.
Why are so many former Communists
and KGB members still working in government organisations ?
"Nobody is forbidding former members
of the Communist party to work in Lithuania. As regards KGB, very few are
working in official government positions. This concerns several suggestions
in discussion in our parliament which have not yet been put into action."
Introduction of new currency after
price stabilisation ?
At present the Rouble is still being
used, we are prepared to introduce our own currency, carrying the same
name (Litas) as the pre-war stable currency. We will be able to introduce
this confidently, if we get the support of a stabilisation fund. It will
be a convertible currency. It will happen this year, perhaps before the
summer. We do not have very much time. It is connected with our entry into
the IMF and world bank - purely routine and procedure.
How safe would my investment as
a foreigner be in Lithuania, considering that the Soviet army is still
there ?
You can invest into a joint-venture,
or fully foreign owned, into converted industries or ones being privatised.
Your investment will be protected by Lithuanian laws. It cannot be nationalised
or requisitioned. We have bilateral agreements on investment with Sweden,
Germany and America. You would have a double guarantee. We have to reconstruct
our building industry.
Königsberg / Kaliningrad has no
common border with Russia. How does this influence life in Lithuania ?
We have a special agreement with
Russia regarding transit and energy etc. There are two countries between
Russia and Kaliningrad. It is difficult and dangerous for us. The region
must be demilitarised, for the benefit of all citizens of the area.
Why do you travel so much abroad
? What use is it for us in Lithuania ?
My trips to the west are mainly
official or work journeys, to attend Economic Forum, Strasbourg etc. These
give us the chance to show Lithuania's problems and arouse interest . show
our desire to All of these are a step towards the signing of agreements.
As to journalists travelling with me, that depends on finances. I cannot
use state money to pay for them to come with me. If they pay themselves,
they will be warmly welcomed.
Was gaining independence a result
of the Coup ?
"I don't believe that. We regained
independence because of the determination of it's people. It took use 50
years. There were many victims. The August coup was only the final full
stop, which helped western nations to recognise our independence.
Vilnius was called "Jerusalem
of Europe" many Jews were killed during the war. Your family did a lot
to help the Jews. What is the situation today ?
As far as the community here goes,
they have the same rights as any minority. They have regained the museum
closed down the Soviets. It is funded by Lithuania. They have their own
newspaper and synagogues. They have been given a building for their own
cultural centre. We want them to feel all right in Lithuania.
Dual nationality possible ?
If he has lived in Lithuania for
ten years, a foreigner can gain Citizenship. he must reject former citizenship.
There are other rules on regaining citzenship from pre-1940 Lithuania.
Is Lithuania planning to become
a member of the former Soviet union east european economic block ?
"No. The citizens would have no
support for such a plan. We have good relations with our neighbours in
Eastern Europe. I don't know who I should give priority to. All trade relations
helping to stimulate trade, not contrary to the laws of our country are
welcome. We are not about to give privileges to anybody."
Do the Russians have the same
rights as your people ?
"All citizens of Lithuania have
the same rights, regardless of nationality, religion or anything else.
A good many have already decided to become citizens of our country. The
process is straightforward. We are getting requests from individuals married
to Lithuanian citizens. This is good enough - they have a special
dispensation from the Lithuanian Supreme Council."
Do you still have time to play
the piano ?
"I don't have time for that, and
I really was a very bad pianist. I can't play every day. If I can spare
a few minutes, I find I can't play very serious pieces. I hope to return
to my previous role as an academic at the conservatory. I am on extended
holiday without pay. I doubt it will happen."
Have many émigrés been returning
to Lithuania ?
"... Young people born abroad are
also coming here, taking on a love of Lithuania from parents and grandparents.
Everyone is welcome.
Is there now religious freedom
in Lithuania ?
"There is complete freedom, according
to our Constitution ans our laws. Every religious group is free to proclaim
their own views and form their own communities."
Elections to strengthen democracy,
since parliament was elected under Communist occupation.
"Elections are drawing close. Many
parties in parliament are talking about possibilites this spring. It is
important to check on the representation in the country in the parliament.
It is disproportional. It is time to check on these processes.
How can you be independent from
Russia if dependent on her for raw materials ?
"Lithuania is an independent state.
Obviously we don't want to have the Russian army in our country. Raw materials
are necessary, they can be in Russia or elsewhere. We want to keep good
relations with russia. We are continuing to produce for Russia. There are
areas of dependence; these should be called bilateral cooperation.
What do you think of Gorbachev
and Shevardnadze ?
Gorbachev is a complicated political
figure. His place in history will be very noted, but at the same time there
are contradictions. There are times when he went history, times when he
took a different path. Shevardnadze. can have a very clear benificial
role in Georgia, as the head of the leadership, bringing together the various
forces, ; an early wish. Early elections to the Parliament will have to
recognise this.
How do you see the Slovak attempts
to leave the Federation. Similarities with your country ?
"No, I can't see similarities. We
were occupied, annexed by the use of force by a totalitarian regime. Slovakia
is combined with Chechia in one state without the use of force. Those who
want to separate have the right to propogate their right of view. My position
concurrs with that of President Havel.
Terrritorial conflicts between
Poland and Lithuania.
"We have no territorial misunderstanding.
Our foreign minister signed an agreement on 13th jan with poland. This
talks about recognition of borders and territorial integrity. There are
certain radical forces in both countries. They ill not be able to make
our relations worse, despite positions sometimes being put in the wrong
way.
Reviving economy in a time of
world recession.
Economic as well as social and political
reform. Privatisation of a monopoly. Agrarian reform has also taken place.
We hope the free market will stimulate the revival of the economy and use
our resources
Conflict of people with power not taking decisions with those wanting to make decisions having no power.
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